The visitors at the Bareskrim Mabes Polri are restricted to 10 people to enter alternately at a time and were given around 15 minutes to meet Ustadz Abu Bakar Ba’asyir. After a long waiting in the queue, at last the voa-islam.com team managed to meet with Ustadz Abu, on the last turn together with Ustadz Abu Jibriel. That was the chance for the voa-islam.com team to have a discussion and break the fast with Ustadz Abu Bakar Ba’asyir.

Such a strict security check was given to the visitors. Starting from going through the metal detector, to the checking of the luggage in the bags. The police officers also prohibited bringing in mobile phones, cameras and whatever recording equipment into the detention hall.

Inside a room, there are about 12 benches for the visitors, while Ustadz Abu sat in front facing the visitors. Wearing a white qameez and a skullcap, Ustadz Abu seemed friendly and familiar talking with the guests who visited him. The followings are the excerpts from the discussion of voa-islam.com with Ustadz Abu approaching the time for breaking the fast:

How is the condition in the prison Ustadz?

Alhamdulillah, the condition is sufficient, meaning it’s quite spacious, it has its shower room. But since the room was a bit damp, it was provided with an AC (air-conditioning). I can’t quite stand it if using the AC, so I asked them to lower down the AC (the coolness). They promised to find me another room where the temperature is not damp.

As for the interrogation, it is already complete actually, but if according to the rules of the thaghut I will still be detained until December.

How do you spend your days in the prison Ustadz?

In this prison, yeah it is only for ibaadah. I am being given the chance by Allah to do ibaadah, reciting the Qur’an, Zikr and Solat. So, there is no work at all.

How is the treatment here?

Alhamdulillah, for me there was no harsh treatment. Yesterday during the examination, I did not even want to be examined unless there is the TPM (Team of Muslim Lawyers), in the end the TPM were asked to come. So, every time there's examination, the TPM must be present. That’s how it should be right? Because it's a matter is whether you dare or not.

How about the chronology of Ustadz’s arrest?

At that time I was attending the weekly lecture session. I invited my wife and family to West Java, i.e to Bandung, and then Tasikmalaya. After the event in Tasikmalaya was done, we went home. It was at that time on our way home in Banjar that there were many policemen, then the car I was riding in was herded towards a police station. After the car went in, our group was yelled at, “Come out, come out!”

I just remained silent there, at last the driver was asked to open the door but he refused, then the window was broken and the door opened. After the door was opened, I went out, after I got out there was this soldier, may be a Christian, who yelled at me “I will shoot you!” So, I said “Ye be cursed! Want to shoot me? Shoot now! Ill bred! Cursed you! You are having that (the gun - ed) so it is making you arrogant? Impudent you!”

Finally his commander broke it up, “Enough ustadz, enough!” Then he told, “If dealing with the ustadz, you cannot be rude, everything should be subtle.”

It was my driver who got dragged and then was told to face down, I wanted to stop it but I could not because I was restrained. Whereas he did not know anything, he was only a driver, he just drove me as one of the two drivers who take turns. Later he was detained for a few days, only then he can go home.

Alhamdulillah, from there we were escorted to the airport and straight to Jakarta, the treatment was fine and I was also fine.

What is the problem, that Ustadz is always arrested by the police in a number of different government regimes?

Yes, this case of mine is an American strategy. America wants that I do not exist in the society because my mission was deemed as detrimental to American strategy, because I put right to the meaning of tawheed and the meaning of iman. That's what they really do not like. So, America endeavors to find a way of how to cut me off from society.

The first, they demanded for my extradition before, during the reign of Megawati, but I was helped by Allah because Megawati had the gut to refuse, so it failed.

The second, when I got out of the Salemba prison, I was arrested again. See, I was accused of having involvement in the bombing of the JW Marriot, whereas I did not know anything, it failed again.

The third, those Bali Bombers were forced to sign a statement, that the one who directed their actions was me, by the confession of the three men through torture. But I was protected by Allah, they retracted (their statement) and in the end, it also failed.

See, this is the fourth, I am accused of commanding, planning and assisting the trainings in Aceh. Yesterday I saw the articles of the thaghut that they have alleged on me, many of those articles have the threat of death penalty as the sentence.

Meaning America wants Ustadz to die?

Yeah, America surely does not want me to be in the midst of the society, either killed or any other, as long as I am not in the society anymore. That is the strategy of America, by using the police. So, I am telling the Densus, “You are the right hand of America, I do not want you to check, I’ll explain the evidence in court later that you are the right hand of America!”

What about the alleged involvement of Ustadz in the Aceh incidents?

Later in the court I would expose it all. We have our own strategy in jihad. Our jihad in the Jama’ah Ansharut Tauhid is only able in the amar ma’ruf nahi munkar. Our i’dad is preparing the physical strength, we did not touch the weapons because we are not able to. As for the groups in Aceh, apparently they had been infiltrated by a police whose name is Sofyan Tsauri.

Are the activities they are doing rightly according to Shar’ie law?

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.” (Al-Anfal 60).

They are carrying out the i’dad, in the view of Shari’a they are right, regardless of whether we agree or disagree by their means, that’s another matter. It is right in terms of the Shari’a but in terms of the thaghut laws it is wrong because they are using weapons.

We realize that, so for us when we do i’dad, conducting the command of Allah, we still could not afford to use weapons but with physical only, that’s the difference. But we also do not blame them, the shari’e daleels are there. I could not blame them, because that would mean rejecting the verse.

In the various medias, the international Mujahideen have acknowledged the arrest of Ustadz Abu Bakar Baasyir, how is your response to that Ustadz?

Alhamdulillah, jazakumullah khairan, thank you. We also ask from them to make do’a so that we can be patient like the patience of the followers of the Prophet.

According to Al-Qur’an chapter Ali Imran 146, the patience of the followers of the Prophet are of three kinds. When the Prophet conducted jihad with his followers, when inflicted by disasters in the Path of Allah, because the people who struggle for Islam would surely be inflicted by disasters, no one who struggles for Islam is safe.

First, “fama wahanu lima ashobahum fi sabilillah.” Not getting discouraged because of disasters, they remains having a big heart, not discouraged and so become cowardly because of being inflicted by disasters.

Second, “wa ma dho’ufu.” The spirit does not weaken, not cooling down because of disasters. Keep up the spirit!

Third, “wamas takanu.” Never giving up, it’s what’s called the patience of the fighters. Wallahu yuhibbus shabirin (and Allah love the patient).

Request do’a from the Mujahideen, so that I can practice the patience of the followers of the Prophet: Not getting discouraged, not dispirited and not surrendering. Jazakumullah khairan.

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