A Dialogue Between Ansarut Tawheed and
Ansarut Thaghut In Sijn (Prison)
20 May 2011By Al-Ikhwah Al-Mujahidun
This is a dialogue between me and
2 ansarut thaghut from the Densus 88
Deradicalization Section… This is the second dialogue
between me and the two men… I write broadly of what
was going on as a mudzakarah of 'ilm for
me at a time when no one can be invited for a
mudzakarah…
They said: We come to you ustadz to have
a discussion with you…
I said: A discussion must have a purpose of
seeking the truth, not a formality to carry out the
task from your leaders, let alone in the framework of
harming the Muslim people. You should just leave your
job, because in the Hereafter the leaders that you are
now obeying will not help you, in fact you will be
mutually cursing each other and claiming innocence…
Allah says: "The Day their faces will be turned
about in the Fire, they will say, 'How we wish we
had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger.' And
they will say, 'Our Lord, indeed we obeyed our
masters and our dignitaries, and they led us astray
from the [right] way. Our Lord, give them double the
punishment and curse them with a great curse.'"
(Al-Ahzab : 66-68).
"[And they should consider that] when those who have
been followed disassociate themselves from those who
followed [them], and they [all] see the punishment,
and cut off from them are the ties [of relationship].
Those who followed will say, 'If only we had
another turn [at worldly life] so we could
disassociate ourselves from them as they have
disassociated themselves from us.' Thus will Allah
show them their deeds as regrets upon them. And they
are never to emerge from the Fire." (Al-Baqarah :
166-167).
All relationships will end, whether it is the official
or any other relations, and in fact, even those
followers and subordinates will later want to return
to the world, not to do solat, zakat,
sawm or others, but to be free from their leaders
and from the legal acts that were previously upheld .
We will not be forever in this world, we will
definitely be returning to Allah. Today, the
government is in power in this world and they are
feeling upright, but someday it all will go away and
there, only Allah Rules…
I, in this weak condition, where you can kill me or
cut my body in pieces as you like, but I am honest and
I do not want to deceive myself and to deceive you, I
am not a bootlicker, I do not care who you are, so I
am conveying it…
They said: Ustadz, aren't we alike… There
is no difference… We also declare the shahadah
of laa ilaaha illallaah muhammad rasulullah, we
perform solat, zakat, sawm,
hajj and others… So why say different…?!!
I said: We are different sir, I am different from
you and the government…
They said: What's different?
I said: The difference between us is not on the
solat, zakat, sawm and hajj,
because you and the government do not forbid those…
But the difference between us is on the laa ilaaha
illallaah…
They said: There is no difference, we also declare
laa ilaaha illallaah muhammad rasulullah… There
is no god besides Allah… So why the difference???
I said: The laa ilaaha illallaah is not
just in the utterance, but it contains implications
and consequences, in which the essence is worshiping
Allah and avoiding thaghut, just as He says:
And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger,
[saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Thaghut." (An-Nahl
: 36).
So the meaning of laa ilaaha illallaah is
worshiping Allah and avoiding thaghut, whereas
you and the government are instead upholding the law
of thaghut and the loyalty to them…
They said: Is the word "thaghut"
mentioned in the verse?
I answered: Yes, it was mentioned "Worship
Allah and avoid Thaghut!"
They asked: What surah and verse was that?
I answered: An-Nahl 36… To be clear let me
describe, Allah says:
"And We sent not before you any messenger except that
We revealed to him that, 'There is no deity except
Me, so worship Me.'" (Al-Anbiyaa : 25).
This verse explains that the laa ilaaha illallaah
was revealed to every apostle, so this kalimah
is the core of the teachings of Allah which they (the
apostles) missionized…
Then, Allah explains the meaning of the content of
laa ilaaha illallaah in surah An-Nahl 36:
"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger,
[saying], 'Worship Allah and avoid Thaghut.'"
So it is not simply the utterance and oral
declaration, but its consequence is to avoid from
worshiping and being loyal to the thaghut, and
to worship only Allah…
In fact, Allah also says in surah Al-Baqarah
256:
"So whoever disbelieves in Thaghut and believes in
Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with
no break in it."
Here Allah explains that people are said to be holding
the laa ilaaha illallaah which is a very strong
handhold, when they are kafir and disobedient
towards tahghut and having iman towards
Allah…
And Rasulullah sallallahu'alaihi wa sallam
said:
"Whoever utters laa ilaaha illallaah and he is
disobedient against everything else worshiped besides
Allah, then their bloods and properties are secured…"
(HR. Muslim)
Here, he also determined the status of one's Islam by
the utterance of laa ilaaha illallaah,
accompanied by an attitude of disobedient towards
everything else that is worshiped besides Allah, i.e.
disobedient towards thaghut…
And the ulama's have also agreed that the
declaration of shahadah has no benefit without
the disobedient towards thaghut. Al-Imam
Sulaiman Ibnu Abdillah Ibnu Muhammad Ibnu Abdil Wahhab
rahimahullah said in the book Taisir Al-Aziz
Al-Hamid which was quoted by Sheikh Ali Al
Khudlair, said:
"Merely declaring the kalimah shahadah without knowing
its meaning and without practicing its consequences in
the form of a commitment towards tawheed, leaving
shirk akbar and disobedient towards thaghut, then
indeed it (the declaration of shahadah) is not
beneficial, based on the ijma (consensus)."
See Al-Baqarah 256, the saheeh hadith Muslim
and also the ijma' of the ulama's, all
states that disobedient towards thaghut is a
prerequisite for one's Islam in front of Allah, which
is one half of the meaning of laa ilaaha illallaah…
One of them asked: What is thaghut?
I said: Among the thaghuts is the
artificial (man-made) law and the lawmakers, just as
Allah SWT says in An-Nisa 60:
"Have you not seen those who claim to have believed in
what was revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was
revealed before you? They wish to refer legislation to
Thaghut, while they were commanded to reject it; and
Satan wishes to lead them far astray."
In this verse, Allah mentions that the law which is
made as the referenced law other than what Allah sent
down is thaghut, which we are commanded to
reject. Whereas, this government are instead
implementing it and you are as its enforcement
devices.
Whereas, when people turn away from the law which was
revealed to Rasulullah and instead refer to the
earlier law of Allah which had been superseded, that
are in the Torah and Gospel, they are ruled as
kafir. Then, what about the people who are instead
applying the man-made law??? Ibnu Katsir
rahimahullah said in Al-Bidayah Wan Nihayah
juz 13 pg 119:
"Whoever forsakes the standard law which was revealed
to Muhammad Ibnu Abdillah, and instead refers to
another law in the form of the teachings (of Allah)
which have already been abrogated (nasakh), then he is
kafir. Then, how on earth about the people who are
referring to the law of ALYASA and they are
prioritizing it over the law of Allah? They are kafir
based on the ijma' of the Muslimeen."
Alyasa is Yasiq, the book of legislation
made by Genghis Khan, which he summarized some from
Islam, some from Christianity, some from Judaism, some
from the people of bid'ah and some from his own
thoughts. This is the same as what is used by the
government here, in which a part is from Islam such as
those used in the Religious Court, a part is from
Christianity (Dutch) i.e. the KUHP (Penal Code), a
part is from the product of the Parliament. And that
is what you use sir...
One of them asked: How about shirk, what is
it?
I answered: Shirk is the associating of
Allah (with partners), and in relation to this
discussion, it is the shirk on the law. Allah
says:
"Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command."
(Al-A'raf : 54).
In this verse, Allah explains that creating and
commanding (regulating) are the specific rights of
Allah, since mankind are the creations of Allah, then
the legal rules which are enforced upon them must also
be the rules of Allah.
If someone believes that there is other creator
besides Allah, then he is mushrik kafir, so the
same goes when someone believes that there is other
who is authorized to make the law besides Allah, then
he is also mushrik kafir, because Allah does
not allow any share within His legal rights. This is
as He says:
"He shares not His legislation with anyone." (Al-Kahfi
: 26).
And if someone gives loyalty to the man-made law, then
he is already associating Allah, whereas the lawmaker
has positioned himself as god, just as He says:
"They have taken their priests and monks as lords
besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of
Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship
one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He
above whatever they associate with Him." (At-Tawbah
: 31)
In this verse Allah branded the Christians with some
convictions:
They deify their priests and monks
They worship their priests and monks
They are mushrik
Their priests and monks have positioned themselves
as gods
In a hasan hadith, the riwaayah of At-Tirmidzi,
Rasulullah recited this verse (At-Tawbah : 31) in
front of ‘Adiy Ibnu Hatim -who at that time was
Christian and later he embraced Islam- and when he
heard the verse with those convictions, ‘Adiy Ibnu
Hatim said:
"We don't worship them", Rasulullah said:
"Don't they make halal what Allah forbids and then you
take part in making them halal? And don't they make
haram what Allah allows, then you take part in making
them haram??" Then ‘Adi Ibnu Hatim answered:
"Yes…", then Rasulullah said: "That is the
worship towards them."
So, fidelity towards the man-made law is a worship
towards the lawmakers and is an act of shirk.
And that is your job sir…
One of them said: Meaning what's included here are
the parliament, judges, public prosecutors, police,
military… and of course the supreme president… If such
is the case, Tifatul Sembiring also belongs there as
he takes part in the lawmaking…
I answered: Yes, it is so…
He said: What ustadz said is true, but
we're in Indonesia… how about people of other
religions…??
I said: If you already know that it's true, then
it should be followed, because if only knowing or
believing, there is no point! Abu Thalib also believed
that the teachings of Rasulullah is true, but he did
not want to follow him…
In the issues of people of other religions… Islam does
not force the kafirs to embrace Islam, in Islam
there is such term as the kafir dzimmi, namely
the kafir who want to submit to live under the
shade of the State with the obligation of paying the
jizya, imposed on adult men, once a year, in
the amount of approximately 1 dinar (4.25 gram
of gold) with assurance on life, properties and family
in return. A much smaller amount compared to any tax
taken by this government today, from the motor tax to
the car, land, house and other taxes…
Then again, I am not inviting towards something which
I myself have not been able to do, because it is not
the duty of a particular individual, but the duty of
the ummah collectively. But I am inviting you
to it, at least by the realization of the tawheed
by leaving your jobs… there are still many other
sources of rizq (sustenance)…
One of them said: Actually there are similarities
between us … look at the traffic rules… The red light…
How is it in Islam?!!
I answered: Different sir… We are not the same
as this government, we want Allah as the legal
reference, while this government has other references…
Even the books are different… It should be known, that
in Islam there is a standard law which is predefined
which is called shar'ie rules and there
is also idariy (procedural) rules, i.e.
problems that develop with age which are not
specifically regulated, but Islam provides the general
rules as a guide, where later, its implementation
depends on the leader by considering the benefits to
the Muslims…
There, the subject of the red light is included in the
idariy rules… even if there are similarities in
the results, but the reference sources are different…
Isn't when the Christian people practice honesty
-e.g.- their religion teaches them to be honest, isn't
with that of their honesty they are not called Muslim,
although there is a similarity in the recommendation
to be honest? This is because of the different
references and submissions.
Therefore, in matters which are standard, this
government refers to the man-made law…
In Islam, in the case of theft, when the conditions
are met, the hand will be cut off, but here it refers
to the article 362 and 363 KUHP (Penal Code), i.e.
imprisonment.
Robbery in Islam is punishable with hirabah
punishment, could be crucified or killed, or the hand
and foot are cut off crossways - or exiled, but here
it will be charged with article 365 KUHP, thus the
penalty is imprisonment.
Murder in Islam has its own penalization, but here it
will fall under article 340 KUHP, if the killing is
proven, it will be imprisonment for life or death
penalty, if not planned then a lighter article is
imposed.
There are penalties for Zina in Islam, even if
both parties are willing adults, but here if both are
willing and adult and the female does not have a
husband, it is legal and it has no sanction, in fact
if done in specific locations there will be a tax for
it…
So, it's different sir… Not to mention other cases,
because the rulings of all the problems in Islam
should refer to the law of Allah, just as He says:
"And in anything over which you disagree - its ruling
is [to be referred] to Allah." (Ash-Shuraa : 10).
They said: Since we are not so proficient, then we
can not argue, but if we bring someone with the same
level as ustadz, maybe he can respond, because
it could only your interpretation, others might have
different interpretations…
I said: What's clear, I've explained my
principles, it's upon them that I live and die, but I
am still inviting you to leave the police because it
is shirk which cancels the deeds…
They said: We will always remember the invitation
from ustadz…
*This dialogue is actually long, but that was the
summarization.
PolRes of West Jakarta
Aman Abdurrahman
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